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Does the size of an accounting firm matter? – the YES case

I conducted an interview with another CFO recently and asked him the question about the importance of an accounting firm’s brand. This chap has given a qualified YES – the brand is important. For the time being I will withhold his name but suffice to say his organisation is big, complex and has high expectations of its external accounting firm(s).

In professional services it’s always the individual it comes down to in terms of expertise and the quality of the work that you get, but you rely on the professionalism of the brand of the overall organisation as to the resources that they send to you.  So at the end of the day it’s very important, but it comes back the integrity of the organisation and the professionalism of those organisations.  If we were looking to appoint a new auditor, for argument’s sake, and I was aware of a local audit firm that’s just gone through some problems with some audit clients, I would probably tend to steer away from them because I would feel that their processes had broken down somewhere that meant that I was taking on trouble by adopting them and therefore I’d go elsewhere.  So, their quality through their professionalism is very important at the end of the day, because you’re paying for that expertise, you’re paying for those services, and in most cases you want something that you can rely on to take to other parties – not just internally – therefore that name has to stand up in front of those other parties that you’re using that work for as well.

They (the external accounting firm) ultimately have to present our accounts to their investors, which are institutional investors, and they wouldn’t be happy if someone was being used that they weren’t familiar with in most cases I would imagine. For purposes of quality assurance with other parties that we would use that information for the brand is absolutely important.

Size does matter for some clients. That being said the individual must be up to the task of delivering a consistent & sound service that provides an effective outcome for the client.

See you next post,

James E

Is bigger better? The NO case

I asked a CFO of a small-to-medium business (Revenue $80m employing 100+ staff) how important an accounting firm’s brand is to him when he is looking to engage external help/advice. This is what he had to say.

I wonder whether brand is quite the right word. Perhaps reputation or their perceived level of expertise is better. But for the sake of the question, let’s stick with brand. The brand itself in the first instance, I wouldn’t say is that important. I would be more interested in speaking to the people who were going to be doing most of the work and looking at what their experience is, their qualifications, or how “good” that particular individual is. Brand doesn’t really come into it. Look at the case of Arthur Andersen which at the time was a major global accounting brand. They were the auditors for WorldCom, Enron, HIH, Ansett and One Tel – not a very good track record!

You can talk about the brand of a major multinational firm, but they’re only as good as the person that you’re going to be dealing with week to week. There is always going to be variation in the quality of the people within a large organisation. So, I wouldn’t say that brand itself is that important. I probably look at the professional firms generically and say, “Big Four, second tier, smaller…” In my mind, I don’t see any difference between any of the Big Four firms. I wouldn’t really know whether one was better than the other. Furthermore, I wouldn’t know if one individual within the big firms are better than the other.

Some interesting thoughts. The insight that captured my imagination was his statement regarding the “person” – You can talk about the brand of a major multinational firm, but they’re only as good as the person that you’re going to be dealing with week to week. There is always going to be variation in the quality of the people within a large organisation.”

Leaving aside the important areas of  support infrastructure, methodology, staff training and development it is the individual which makes the biggest difference to the client relationship. The other areas should be seen as hygiene factors (their impact is felt when they are not present)

Bye for now,

James

Is bigger better? The YES case

I conducted an interview with another CFO recently and asked him the question about the importance of an accounting firm’s brand. This chap has given a qualified YES – the brand is important. For the time being I will withhold his name but suffice to say his organisation is big, complex and has high expectations of its external accounting  firm(s).

In professional services it’s always the individual it comes down to in terms of expertise and the quality of the work that you get, but you rely on the professionalism of the brand of the overall organisation as to the resources that they send to you.  So at the end of the day it’s very important, but it comes back the integrity of the organisation and the professionalism of those organisations.  If we were looking to appoint a new auditor, for argument’s sake, and I was aware of a local audit firm that’s just gone through some problems with some audit clients, I would probably tend to steer away from them because I would feel that their processes had broken down somewhere that meant that I was taking on trouble by adopting them and therefore I’d go elsewhere.  So, their quality through their professionalism is very important at the end of the day, because you’re paying for that expertise, you’re paying for those services, and in most cases you want something that you can rely on to take to other parties – not just internally – therefore that name has to stand up in front of those other parties that you’re using that work for as well.

They (the external accounting firm) ultimately have to present our accounts to their investors, which are institutional investors, and they wouldn’t be happy if someone was being used that they weren’t familiar with in most cases I would imagine. For purposes of quality assurance with other parties that we would use that information for the brand is absolutely important.

Size does matter for some clients. That being said the individual must be up to the task of delivering a consistent & sound service that provides an effective outcome for the client.

See you next post,

James E